tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-57959493686323119172024-03-17T01:13:56.019-07:00Issues facing the Mormon ChurchHistorical and Doctrinal Issues of the LDS Faith
Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.comBlogger132125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-3038278455276915042022-02-28T23:16:00.000-08:002022-02-28T23:16:30.314-08:00Movie Theaters with No Popcorn<p> Last General Conference they announced 20 new Temples. I wanted to scream. </p><p>Why not 20 homeless shelters, 20 children’s hospitals, 20 soup kitchens, 20 new schools, 20 cancer research centers, 20 libraries? Why not 20 military hospitals in Ukraine? Or since we are so into wars and rumors of wars how about 20 F16’s for Ukraine? </p><p>No. It’s 20 shitty movie theaters with no popcorn!!</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiHDKNL8aQRZc94_nsvnxjEXSYITu8xbnpt_qNox5Fst6oQw_vAMNFF-Z9Zgq1QGViEsgq9PYrLvLSPcay2flTw7GatleuNJDFaa05Mk8PURLVssg-vkN6NlkGXymM3_EL2WHyXhtJkpc-TSFu0wH0bx-2sZ5ctXpF5qG4-4InALTyCKyBJDrSi_ZuR=s580" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="299" data-original-width="580" height="165" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiHDKNL8aQRZc94_nsvnxjEXSYITu8xbnpt_qNox5Fst6oQw_vAMNFF-Z9Zgq1QGViEsgq9PYrLvLSPcay2flTw7GatleuNJDFaa05Mk8PURLVssg-vkN6NlkGXymM3_EL2WHyXhtJkpc-TSFu0wH0bx-2sZ5ctXpF5qG4-4InALTyCKyBJDrSi_ZuR=s320" width="320" /></a></div><br /><p><br /></p>Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-2817905108325457552022-02-28T23:05:00.000-08:002022-02-28T23:05:25.561-08:00How do we make polygamy survive?<p><span style="font-size: medium;"> Go on a mission for 3 to 7 years and we’ll take your wife, or don’t go and we’ll take your wife and have our way either way. General Conference 1852. </span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjigNq27oLJARlPAxDgFFKyjg6HiwC8r5t5RlTcycIHExvwf3v62N_qTO_S5WX7ttwoPdzCdzMIFMhTT-K431NfUOg7KVliwVuhGhwlEfd9WIeenSBev7M5yCtYzjpDeR8uq8zD_ghPK4wWxnw1F_qrRoVsK278x6D3WHK7A4tFtI4kG3WAjSSV5C6g=s1224" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1197" data-original-width="1224" height="313" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjigNq27oLJARlPAxDgFFKyjg6HiwC8r5t5RlTcycIHExvwf3v62N_qTO_S5WX7ttwoPdzCdzMIFMhTT-K431NfUOg7KVliwVuhGhwlEfd9WIeenSBev7M5yCtYzjpDeR8uq8zD_ghPK4wWxnw1F_qrRoVsK278x6D3WHK7A4tFtI4kG3WAjSSV5C6g=s320" width="320" /></a></div><br /><p><br /></p>Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-1697307518883344812021-03-20T19:11:00.005-07:002021-04-05T10:34:02.098-07:00The Mathematics of Polygamy<p>If the numbers of men and women in a community are about even....</p><p><b>The mathematics of polygamy doesn’t work very well. </b></p><p>If the number of wives a man has is directly inked to entering Heaven and their status there, it is important to create opportunities to acquire more women. </p><p><b>I have found at least ten things that 19th Century Mormons did to offset the math. </b></p><p>1. Marry very young girls. 14, 15 and even younger. </p><p>2. Send men on extremely long missions. 3 years or more...So they aren’t marrying until about 24 or 25. </p><p>3. Allow some missionaries who were already married to date and find new wives on missions,</p><p>4. Marry other men’s wives. </p><p>5. Send men to war like the Mormon Battalion. </p><p>6. Specially target single women on missions. </p><p>7. Threaten men if they dated some girls and even kill and castrate. </p><p>8. Excommunicate men for small offenses to push them out of competition. </p><p>9. Allow wealth to accumulate in the hands of leaders.</p><p>10. Push young couples out of Salt Lake to other settlements so that leaders got first pick of immigrant women. </p><p><b>Other related posts:</b></p><p><a href="http://www.116pages.com/2016/08/evidence-that-joseph-smith-was-sexual.html">Joseph Smith is a Sexual Predator</a></p><p><a href="http://www.116pages.com/2016/11/reason-13a-polygamy-is-evil.html">Brigham Young had a favorite wife</a></p><p><a href="http://www.116pages.com/2016/10/the-family-of-president-john-taylor.html">John Taylor's Family in 1886</a></p><p><a href="http://www.116pages.com/2016/09/who-is-keeping-law-of-chastity.html">Who is keeping the law of chastity</a>?</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vsVIa34lqfs/YGtA7bGZU1I/AAAAAAAABjI/KfrPYDrO8X8OJt3-WjOYUKOlpMY8XCSpgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/amelia%2BFolsom.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="457" data-original-width="640" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vsVIa34lqfs/YGtA7bGZU1I/AAAAAAAABjI/KfrPYDrO8X8OJt3-WjOYUKOlpMY8XCSpgCLcBGAsYHQ/s320/amelia%2BFolsom.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p>Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-32411001753844118882020-11-11T14:00:00.000-08:002020-11-11T14:00:07.552-08:00Sarah Ann Briggs - Mormons Exploit Children<p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Tbs2zMtRPp4/X6xaBouKOaI/AAAAAAAABgc/cQJOJZwQsrcMKrpqMs8dwxiz8ojTPrRfQCLcBGAsYHQ/s400/Screen-Shot-2018-11-18-at-1.45.48-PM-379x400.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="400" data-original-width="379" height="165" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Tbs2zMtRPp4/X6xaBouKOaI/AAAAAAAABgc/cQJOJZwQsrcMKrpqMs8dwxiz8ojTPrRfQCLcBGAsYHQ/w156-h165/Screen-Shot-2018-11-18-at-1.45.48-PM-379x400.png" width="156" /></a></div><b><span style="font-size: large;">Sarah Ann Briggs was a survivor of the Martin Handcart Tragedy. </span></b><p></p><p><span style="color: #990000; font-size: medium;"><b>She also is another example of the Mormon exploitation of young girls. </b></span></p><p>She lost her father and two sibling in 1857 to cold and starvation in the handcart tragedy. In 1860 her mother died from a scorpion bite. </p><p>As an orphan at age nine she was sent to be raised by a step sister and her husband George. </p><p>For five years she was raised as their child but at the age of 14 years and 10 months she was married to George as his second polygamous wife. </p><p><b>Ten months later at age 15, she had her first child. </b></p><p>She had four children by age 22 when George died and she was left with four young children. </p><p><b>By age 33 she had left the Mormon church and married to an Episcopal Dentist. There is some evidence that her children were taken from her when she left the LDS Church. </b></p><p>She died at age 71. </p><p><b>Sources:</b></p><p><a href="http://www.theutahbee.com/2018/11/19/sarah-ann-briggs-a-child-bride-from-the-martin-handcart-company/">The Utah Bee</a></p><p><a href="http://LDS.org">LDS.org</a></p><p><a href="https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/152627/sarah-ann-chapman">Find a Grave</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p>Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-87963042002751668512020-07-07T22:08:00.005-07:002021-04-04T09:30:00.141-07:00The Mission to the Lamanites FalsehoodThe "Church History" Primary Manual lies about the "Mission to the Lamanites".<div><br /></div><div>Shortly after the publication of the Book of Mormon and founding of the Church, Joseph sent four men to "The Indian Territory" to tell the "Lamanites" about the Book of Mormon. See D&C 32</div><div><br /></div><div>In LDS Church History books it is typically called The Mission to the Lamanites.</div><div><br /></div><div>The Primary Manual spends almost two pages talking about the mission<br /><div><br />The difference can be seen by comparing these two sources:</div><div><br /></div><div><b>This quote is from the Church History Primary Manual - </b><br />Missionaries of other churches were jealous and asked the United States
government to keep the Latter-day Saint missionaries out of the Indian territory.<br /><br /><b>From a BYU History Paper:</b><br />"Richard W. Cummins, the Indian agent learned about the elder's activities and ordered them to desist and leave at once. Government regulations forbade work among the Indians without a special permit issued by the Superintendent of Indian affairs, a regulation with which the elders had failed to comply." <a href="https://www.blogger.com/#">Source</a><br /><br /></div><div><br />The Primary Manual does not say that the Mormon Missionaries were breaking the law by preaching to the Indians. </div><div>Calling the other churches jealous is such a joke. Pissed would be better because I’m sure they would have also wanted to preach, but they didn’t want to break the law.<br /><br /><br />Source: <a href="https://www.blogger.com/#">BYU - Studies - Mission to the Lamanites</a><br /><h2 style="height: 0px;">
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<a href="https://www.lds.org/ensign/1989/09/roots-of-faith?lang=eng">1989 Ensign Article</a><br />
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<a href="https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/pioneers-pacific/stories-and-histories/16-apostle-oceania-elder-david-o-mckays-1921-trip">BYU Article on Maori Talk</a><br />
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One of the spiritual highlights of pre-World War II Church history in the Pacific was Elder David O. McKay’s visit to the missions of that vast area. And one of the most important events of that tour occurred during the <em style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: 0px 0px; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Hui Tau</em> of 23–25 April, 1921. Elder McKay spoke at least seven times during the three days of meetings, but as he began his first talk he said: “O, how I wish I could speak to you in your own language to tell you what is in my heart, but since I cannot, I am going to pray that while I speak in my own tongue you may have the gift of interpretation and discernment. While you may not understand my words, the Spirit of the Lord will bear witness to you of my words that I give to you under the inspiration of the Lord.” Gordon C. Young, one of the missionaries who was there, later described what happened as Elder McKay continued to talk:</div>
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“He spoke several sentences and then Stuart [Meha] would interpret into Maori. Then he’d make another statement in English and Stuart would interpret. All at once everything was quiet, and all over the congregation the Maoris … called out, ‘Stuart, sit down, don’t interpret, we can understand what the Apostle is saying.’ <b>They didn’t [all] speak English</b>, and <b>they didn’t understand anything President McKay was saying before</b>, but now they were calling out to Stuart to sit down. He was rather disconcerted. … Stuart didn’t know what to do, so he started to interpret again. The calls came again, ‘Stuart, sit down. Don’t interpret.’ So Stuart just sat down, and President McKay went on and gave one of the most beautiful talks I have ever heard in my life, and those people all understood what he was saying.”<span class="marker" style="background-position: 0px 0px; border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; color: #147ea7; font-size: 13.5px; line-height: 0; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; position: relative; top: -0.5em; vertical-align: baseline;"><a class="note-ref" href="https://www.lds.org/ensign/1989/09/roots-of-faith?lang=eng#note5" style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: 0px 0px; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial; border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; color: #147ea7; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; vertical-align: baseline;">5</a></span><br />
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<a href="https://thisisgraeme.me/2014/09/01/history-of-maori-literacy-and-numeracy-key-events-and-initiatives/">https://thisisgraeme.me/2014/09/01/history-of-maori-literacy-and-numeracy-key-events-and-initiatives/</a><br />
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Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-22800066284269047012019-05-07T18:04:00.002-07:002019-05-07T18:04:43.489-07:00Let’s let boys baptize!! So what can we give the girls? <br />
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<br />Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-44710273601222558982019-03-23T21:58:00.001-07:002023-07-03T20:50:37.990-07:00The "Windows of Heaven" Myth<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">Most Mormons are familiar with the 1963 movie <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LJuITHtbJo">Windows of Heaven</a> about Lorenzo Snow's 1899 trip to St. George and the revelation about tithing he received there. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>What you might not be aware of is that the story is A MYTH. </b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">1. Snow had been pushing tithing for months before that.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">2. He promised a return to Missouri in 20 years, not rain. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">3. The rain that did come was so violent that it washed out roads. </span><br />
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<b><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">Timeline: </span></b><br />
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>1890 - </b>Wilford Woodruff Issues the <a href="https://www.lds.org/topics/the-manifesto-and-the-end-of-plural-marriage?lang=eng">"Manifesto"</a> ending polygamy. The church has spent years fighting the U.S. Government and was in deep debt. The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmunds%E2%80%93Tucker_Act">Edmund's Tucker Act of 1887</a> had nearly destroyed the church financially. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>1893 - </b>The Salt Lake Temple is finished and dedicated. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>1893 - </b>There was a <a href="https://www.lds.org/topics/the-manifesto-and-the-end-of-plural-marriage?lang=eng">financial panic and depression</a> that lasted four years. Some states had 40 percent unemployment. <a href="https://www.uen.org/utah_history_encyclopedia/p/PANIC_1893_FINANCIAL.shtml">Utah was also badly affected. </a> </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>1898 - </b>Lorenzo Snow becomes the 5th LDS Church President and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudger_Clawson">Rudger Clawson</a> is called as an Apostle. Snow feels that his special mission is the get the Church out of debt. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>1899 - </b>Clawson produces a <a href="https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V31N04_181.pdf">detailed analysis </a>of the Church's finances and announces that the church is <span style="background-color: white; color: #1a1a1b;">$1,333,475.89 in debt. </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #1a1a1b;"><b>Early in 1899 -</b> To solve the debt, President Snow make several measures to help solve the problem:</span></span><br />
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<li><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #1a1a1b;">The Church sold securities and bonds totaling more than $1 million.</span></span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #1a1a1b;">The Church stopped borrowing money.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #1a1a1b;">Church bookkeeping practices were fixed.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>The practice of tithing was reinforced. </b> </span></li>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>May and June of 1899,</b> 85 year old Lorenzo Snow, his 43 year old wife and many of the Church leaders took a trip through much of Utah. He speaks to more than 20 congregations throughout Southern Utah and has a consistent message of Tithing and Returning to Zion in Missouri. Including predicting that they would return to Zion within 20 years. Little or nothing is said about paying tithing to end the drought. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>1902 - </b>St. George drought finally ends. (Not remotely like it happened in the movie)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>1934 - 1938 -</b> Lorenzo Snow's son Le Roi writes the several articles emphasizing the myth of the tithing revelation, including the article "<a href="https://archive.org/stream/improvementera4107unse/improvementera4107unse_djvu.txt">Out of Bondage"</a> in the Improvement Era.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>1950's -</b> LDS Church is again in deep debt and needs to again promote tithing. </span></div>
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<b>1963 - </b>Movie "Windows of Heaven" is released.<br />
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<b><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">Resources: </span></b><br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Windows_of_Heaven_(film)"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">Wikipedia - Windows of Heaven</span></a><br />
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<a href="http://mormonhistoricsites.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Reexamining-Lorenzo-Snows-1899-Tithing-Revelation.pdf"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">Mormon Historical Studies Article</span></a><br />
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<a href="https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=7141&context=etd"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">BYU - Lorenzo Snow's Re-emphasis of Tithing</span></a><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><a href="http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2012/12/are-we-paying-too-much-tithing.html?m=1">Pure Mormonism Article about Tithing </a></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><a href="https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V31N04_181.pdf">Rudger Clawson's 1899 Report</a></span><br />
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<a href="https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1022&context=mormonhistory">Journal of Mormon History (Starts at Page 45)</a><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/primary-5-doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history/lesson-45?lang=eng">Church History Primary Lesson on Lorenzo Snow / Tithing</a></span><br />
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<a href="https://www.mormonstories.org/truth-claims/mormon-doctrine/tithing/">Mormon Stories - Tithing</a><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>Further Reading: </b> </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">Will Brooks’ reaction to the dramatic scene of revelation in the movie Windows of Heaven: “I must protest the whole thing—that is NOT how it was. President Snow was not weak and shaky . . . . Nor was there the great dramatic moment of the picture. He made a good talk, a strong talk. He did pause for a while at one point, but the audience saw nothing that could be interpreted as a revelation.” Juanita Brooks, Uncle Will Tells His Story (Salt Lake City: Taggart & Company Inc. 1970), 64. </span></div>
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<b>Returning to Zion</b></div>
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At the conclusion of the trip, in a meeting of congregated church leaders, the prophet, as
well as other speakers, spoke powerfully and in detail about the timeline and the mechanics of
the return to Jackson County. Elder Anthony W Ivins recorded that President Snow taught,
“Within ten, fifteen or 20 years, perhaps sooner, we are going to Jackson County.” Elder Francis
M. Lyman echoed this prophecy in his own comments, supposing that President Snow himself
would be alive for the return to Jackson County. </div>
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<b><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">Text From Primary Story: </span></b><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">On 17 May 1899 President Snow spoke at a conference in St. George, Utah. During his talk, he suddenly paused. The room was still as everyone waited for him to speak. When he started talking again, his voice was strong, and the people could tell that he was speaking under the inspiration of the Lord. He said, “The word of the Lord is: The time has now come for every Latter-day Saint … to do the will of the Lord and to pay his tithing in full. That is the word of the Lord to you, and it will be the word of the Lord to every settlement throughout the land of Zion” (quoted in LeRoi C. Snow, “The Lord’s Way Out of Bondage,” p. 439).</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">President Snow told the Saints that the Lord was displeased with them because they had not been paying their tithing. He promised the people that if they paid their tithing, rain would fall and they would be able to plant and harvest good crops.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">After his talk in St. George, President Snow wanted the whole Church to know about the revelation he had received. On his way back to Salt Lake City, he stopped in many settlements to preach the law of tithing to the people, and when he returned to Salt Lake City, he called an important meeting in the temple to talk to priesthood leaders about tithing. In one talk he said: “The poorest of the poor can pay tithing; the Lord requires it at our hands. … Everybody should pay tithing. … The law shall be observed. … And we shall pay our debts. … God bless you” (quoted in Carter E. Grant, <em style="background-position: 0px 0px; background: 0px 0px; border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The Kingdom of God Restored,</em> p. 546). The Saints everywhere accepted what President Snow said and started paying tithing.</span></div>
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Both the scope of production and publicity for the film were the greatest of any BYU film up to this point. The thirty minute commission grew into a fifty minute production--their longest yet--and hundreds of Church members were involved, including Harold B. Lee, who scouted for period locomotives. The members in St. George, including some who had been present in the actual meeting with President Snow, were particularly stallwart in creating this film, which they saw as their story. President David O. McKay, who had also known President Snow, was greatly moved, and after a St. George premiere it was distributed throughout the wards and missions and became BYU's most popular film; <span class="s14dydj4-14 gBjHJP" style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-alternates: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; font-variant-ligatures: inherit; font-variant-numeric: inherit; font-variant-position: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: 700; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">it effected a similar retrenchment in tithing, and the financial crisis was solved.</span></div>
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Scott Whitaker's script was apparently based primarily on the writings of Lorenzo Snow's son LeRoi. In his article, E. Jay Bell discusses several of the differences between the historical and the filmic events, foremost among them <span class="s14dydj4-14 gBjHJP" style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant-alternates: inherit; font-variant-caps: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; font-variant-ligatures: inherit; font-variant-numeric: inherit; font-variant-position: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: 700; line-height: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">the fact that President Snow never mentioned anything about rainfall in connection with tithing.</span></div>
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Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-40890206180878177852019-03-15T21:24:00.000-07:002019-03-15T21:41:53.247-07:00British Mission Success in 1840's....<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>The Success of the 1840's Mormon Mission to England:</b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">The British Mission of Wilford Woodruff, Heber C. Kimball, John Taylor, Brigham Young and others was an absolute success. Around 5,000 English joined the church by 1842. The majority immigrated to the United States. </span><b><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><br /></span></b>
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<b><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">Why did they have such success? </span></b><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #1d2129;">The missionaries were teaching a message of hope, miracles and the coming </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #1d2129;">Millennium</span><span style="background-color: white; color: #1d2129;">. They taught of angels, Prophets, Apostles and the Gathering of Israel. The missionaries were young, charismatic and taught with clarity and power. </span></span><br />
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<b><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">But also....</span></b><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #1d2129;"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>The 1840's in Victorian England was a pretty horrible place to live.</b></span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #1d2129;"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">England had suffered several economic disasters and crop failures just prior to the Missionaries arriving. Queen Victoria had just become Queen and Charles Dickens was writing his famous stories including Oliver Twist. The fertility rate was almost six children per adult woman and the average lifespan was less than 40. About 1/4 the babies born died before reaching their first birthday. </span></span><br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><b><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: small;">Please, <span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;">sir</span><span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;">, I want some </span><span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;">more</span></span></b></td></tr>
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<b><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">Some quotes: </span></b><br />
<span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">In 1839 there was a serious slump in trade, leading to a steep increase in unemployment, accompanied by a bad harvest. The bad harvests were repeated in the two following years. <a href="http://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095950840">Source</a></span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #2d2d2d;"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">Toilets would have been nothing more than cesspits. When these were filled they had to be emptied and what was collected was loaded onto a cart before being dumped in a local river. <a href="https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/britain-1700-to-1900/industrial-revolution/life-in-industrial-towns/?fbclid=IwAR3utwP7NtCIKIMml8rVMjr_JjQHPZ4SZNoYwW_-uMlqmdz5f0DMWnJbU58">Source</a></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>Wilford Woodruff Wrote: </b> </span><br />
<span style="background-color: white; color: #212225;"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">I have seen more beggars here in one day than I saw in all my life in America. I have seen delicate females gathering manure to get a living for their famishing children. <a href="https://www.lds.org/study/ensign/1987/01/harvest-in-herefordshire?lang=eng">Source</a></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>My Final Thoughts</b></span>
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">More than 100,000 British immigrated to the United States each year between 1838 and 1842. About one percent of those were Mormon converts. The beauty and promise of Zion and Nauvoo was taught. Rolling hills, cheap farm land and a gathering of like minded people motivated many. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: times, times new roman, serif;">From my reading of history and through personal experience, I know that greater the poverty, the greater the chances of receiving a spiritual prompting about making a dramatic change. </span><br />
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<a href="http://assets.cambridge.org/97805217/82548/sample/9780521782548ws.pdf"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">Victorian Fertility Rates</span></a><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><a href="http://assets.cambridge.org/97805217/82548/sample/9780521782548ws.pdf">English Demography - Oxford</a></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/study/ensign/1987/01/harvest-in-herefordshire?lang=eng">1987 Ensign Article on British Mission</a></span><br />
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<a href="https://www.lds.org/church/news/truth-will-prevail-pageant-tells-story-of-church-in-british-isles?lang=eng"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">"Truth Will Prevail" Pageant held in England</span></a><br />
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<a href="https://thefairestgem.com/2009/10/16/brigham-young-heals-mary-pitt/"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">Brigham Young heals Mary Pitt</span></a><br />
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<a href="https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/banner-gospel-wilford-woodruff/4-wilford-woodruff-missionary-herefordshire"><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">BYU Article on Wilford Woodruff Mission. </span></a><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><a href="https://www.charlesdickensinfo.com/life/timeline/">Charles Dickens Timeline</a></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><a href="https://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Missions_of_the_Twelve_to_the_British_Isles">BYU - The British Mission </a></span><br />
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<a href="https://bycommonconsent.com/2006/04/30/a-mormon-mecca-in-england/">Mormon Mecca in England</a><br />
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<a href="https://www.churchhistorianspress.org/the-first-fifty-years-of-relief-society/people/priscilla-mogridge-lowry-staines?letter=S&lang=eng">Priscilla Stains</a><br />
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<a href="https://mormonmigration.lib.byu.edu/mii/account/423">Mormon Migration - Liverpool to Nauvoo</a><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>One More Quote</b></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">Perhaps no Mormon doctrine spoke more familiarly to some
British folk than millennialism. Fundamental to the theology
of many groups especially the dissenting sects was not only a
belief in the literal Second Coming of Christ but also in the
imminence of that event. It took little religious adjustment
to accept the Mormon teaching that Christ would come again
soon: only the concept that he would establish the Kingdom of
God in America was different. The Mormons taught further
and with monumental self assurance that they would soon
witness a millennial revolution. <a href="https://byustudies.byu.edu/file/3084/download?token=CbxIMNe_">Source</a></span><br />
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Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-52295733341050050342019-03-03T10:06:00.001-08:002020-02-06T05:20:37.560-08:00Were 19th Century Mormon Miissionaries “Sex Traffickers”?<div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">
<span style="font-size: 12pt;">19th century Mormon missionaries targeted European girls with promises of perfect lives in America. They were poor, uneducated and desperate get away from the misery. Once they were trapped in Utah, they were bartered for like </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">cattle to serve men with sex and hard </span><br />
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the action or practice of illegally transporting people from one country or area to another for the purpose of sexual exploitation.</div>
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By the 21st century definition this <b>ISN’T </b>sex trafficking because they did not “ illegally “ transport the women. .... <b>UNLESS </b>they lied to them about what they would get when they arrived. Polygamy was publicly announced in 1852 and the story spread quickly through Europe. So literate European women might have known that they were heading into polygamy, but since the missionaries targetted the uneducated, they likely did not know. </div>
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It is a common theme even in LDS Sunday School classes today to praise young teenage girls from Denmark or Germany that were willing to leave their families to join the church, “embrace the gospel”. And follow the missionaries to America and Utah. I now realize that all it was, was a sexual recruiting tool for Brigham Young and the other men of The Mormon Church to exploit the poor conditions of women in Europe. </div>
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Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-69054908156247244772019-03-01T10:14:00.000-08:002019-03-01T10:21:39.470-08:00Proof that the Catholic Church is Run by the Devil.... <div>
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<b><span style="color: #990000; font-size: large;">The Mormon Church has never, ever, ever changed anything in their ordinances. </span></b></div>
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The most obvious reason that the Catholic Church is run by Satan is that they changed the baptism ceremony. Jesus was baptized by immersion in the River Jordan when he was 30 years old.<br />
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John the Baptist held Jesus in the exact manner shown. Jesus did not have to use his free hand to pinch his nose. Jesus wore white, and John wore gray.... wait, that part isn't essential. </div>
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John the Baptist then later appeared to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery and gave them the priesthood and they baptized each other. </div>
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This took place in 1829 but Joseph and Oliver forgot to tell anyone for six years. </div>
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Back to the important part. <strike>Mormons</strike> <strike>LDS</strike> Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints are baptized exactly like Jesus was at age 30. And they have never changed any ordinances... ever. That would be really bad, and clearly from the Devil. OK. Now it is 8 years old, not 30 but no babies. </div>
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The Catholics sprinkle babies. Why does a baby need to be baptized? They are so cute and soft and perfect and they can't possibly make an eternal decision as babies. One that might cause them to hire a lawyer many years later as adults.<br />
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(See <a href="http://quitmormon.com/">quitmormon.com</a> ) 8 year olds are totally aware of all the issues in the Church and are prepared to make these covenants and would not chose to be baptized in order to have an ice cream party with friends. </div>
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">Mormons have never changed their temple ordinances!!</span></b> </div>
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<span style="color: #990000; font-size: large;"><b>Final Conclusion: </b></span>Clearly you can see that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints have never changed an ordinance. So the Church of Jesus Christ is the one true church of Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church is run by the Devil himself. </div>
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Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-41153628860442963012019-02-28T17:32:00.000-08:002019-02-28T17:32:41.650-08:00Willford Woodruff embellished his life story.....<span style="font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif;">I've realized that every "miracle" in Mormon History has been embellished. I've been slogging through Woodruff's personal history. These are examples of what he wrote in his daily journal and then how he re-wrote the stories in 1865. In each case, they became more miraculous. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif;"><b>28</b> We rode through Williamstown & pleasant garden & other towns & spent the night. Elder Taylor had a poor turn & fainted to the ground. He soon recoverd & was well at evening.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif;"><b>29th </b>We Passed through Indianapolis the Capitol of the State. Rode two miles & stoped. But this was a gloomy day to my soul & body both. The enemy made a powerful grasp upon the life of Elder John Taylor. He fainted several times & it seemed as though he would die. We were oblieged to stop. We called for a few hours in a house by the way side. We then took him into the waggon & drove to Elder Eldridge & spent the day nursing Elder Taylor. He took a Course of Thompsonian medicine.</span></div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: small;"><b>On the 28th</b>, while travelling, Elder Taylor fell to the ground as though he had been knocked down. We administered to him, and he revived. On the following day he fell again, and fainted several times; it seemed as though the destroyer would take his life. We travelled with him four days after he was taken sick. His sickness proved to be bilious fever. We stopped with him two days at a German tavern, in Germantown, Wayne County, Indiana, with a kind family with whom he was acquainted. Father Coltrin would stay no longer. I proposed to remain with Brother Taylor, but as I was sick with fever and ague, and not able to take care of myself, Brother Taylor advised me to continue my journey with Father Coltrin, saying, "It is easier to take care of one sick man than two." I committed him into the hands of God, and the family promised to do all in their power to make him comfortable. I parted from him with a heavy heart.</span><br />
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<span style="color: black; font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: small;">In the revised version Woodruff adds that he had administered to Taylor and revived him. He also comments more on his own sickeness and how much he wanted to help Taylor and how sad it was to leave him. He also doesn't mention that Taylor had taken a medicine. The word enemy is changed to be "destroyer". </span></div>
Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-91414390170228164032019-02-27T18:37:00.001-08:002019-03-05T21:36:29.789-08:00Wilford Woodruff Embellishments - July 22, 1839<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Did Wilford Woodruff Embellish his journal? </b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">22 Joseph was in Montrose & it was a day of Gods power. There was many Sick among the Saints on [p.348] both sides of the river & Joseph went through the midst of them taking them by the hand & in a loud voice Commanding them in the name of Jesus Christ to arise from their beds & be made whole & they leaped from their beds made whole by the power of God. Elder Eligah Fordham was one among the number & he with the rest of the sick rose from his bed & followed Joseph from house to house & it was truly a time of rejoicing.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;">July 22.--I was with President Joseph Smith [Jr.] and his council and the Twelve; it was a day of God's power with the Prophet. He healed many who were sick nigh unto death, among whom were Elijah Fordham and Joseph B. Nobles [Noble]; even the wicked rabble followed to see the sick healed. <b>As Joseph was about to cross the river, a man came to him and asked him if he would go about three miles and heal two of his small children, who were twins, about three months old, and were sick nigh unto death. He was a man of the world, he had never heard a sermon preached by a Latter-day Saint. Joseph said he could not go, but he would send a man. After hesitating a moment, he turned to me and said, "You go with this man and heal his children," at the same time giving me a red silk handkerchief, and said, "After you lay hands upon them, wipe their faces with it, and they shall be healed; and as long as you will keep that handkerchief, it shall ever remain as a league between you and me." I went and did as I was commanded, and the children were healed.</b></span></div>
Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-55217064151726447392019-02-23T08:58:00.000-08:002019-02-28T17:34:41.267-08:00Wilford Woodruff Leaving for his British Mission....<div style="line-height: 1.42857em; margin-bottom: 0.357143em; padding: 0px;">
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Comparison of Wilford Woodruff Journal Entry and the re-write of it 20 years later for publication. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: #660000;">"Early on this important morning I took my departure from the embraces of my companion to go on my mission. She parted with me with that fortitude that becometh a Saint realizing the call & responsibility of her companion. Phebe farewell. Be of good cheer. Remember me in your prayers esspecially as the sun sets in the western horizon. I leave these pages for your careful perusal while I am gone. I shall see thy face again in the flesh. I am gone to obey the Command of JESUS CHRIST." </span><span style="color: #660000;"> </span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #660000;">The time had come for me to take my departure from my family to carry the gospel of Jesus Christ to the nations of Europe in fulfillment of the commands of God. Accordingly I left a parting blessing with my wife & took my farewell of her & other Saints on the morn of the 8th day of Oct Aug 1839 & left Montrose & crossed the Missisippi river for the purpose of commencing my mission of about six thousand miles & I started without purs or scrip and that to with the fever & ague resting upon me every other day</span></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #444444;"> </span><span style="color: #222222;">(original spelling)</span></span></div>
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<b><a href="https://bcgmaxwell.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/wilford-woodruff-journal-volume-1/"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Source</span></a></b></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px;"><b>A REWRITING of HIS JOURNAL in 1862 in PREPARATION for PUBLICATION. </b></span></div>
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<span style="color: #660000; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">"I laid my hands upon my wife and children, blessed them, committed them into the hands of God, and started upon my English mission, leaving my family sick, and with not more than four days' provisions.</span></div>
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<span style="color: #660000; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Brother Brigham Young rowed me across the Mississippi in a boat; I was sick and feeble. When I landed, I laid down upon the bank of the river on a side of sole leather. The Prophet Joseph [Smith, Jr.] came along and looked at me, and said, "You are starting on your mission." I said,"Yes, but I look like a poor instrument for a missionary; I look more fit for a hospital or dissecting room than a mission." He replied, "What do you say that for? Go ahead in the name of the Lord, and you shall be healed and blessed on your mission." I thanked him.</span></div>
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<span style="color: #660000; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">A brother came along with a wagon, carried me a few miles on my road. I started without purse or scrip, and passed by Parley P. Pratt, who was hewing logs for a house; he was barefooted, bareheaded, without coat or vest on. He said, "I have no money, but I have an empty purse; I will give you that."</span></div>
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<span style="color: #660000; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">I went a few rods, and found Elder H. [Heber] C. Kimball building a log cabin. He said, "I have one dollar, I will give you that to put in your purse." He blessed me, and I went my way, accompanied by Elder John Taylor. I had a shake of the ague every other day, and lay on the bottom of the wagon while I travelled."</span></div>
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<b><span style="color: #990000; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">My commentary</span></b></div>
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<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-style: inherit; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">Like most men leaving on a mission, his thoughts as he left Nauvoo were about his wife and family. His journal entry mentioned his wife by name. He missed her. He promised her that he would see her again.</span> </span></div>
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<b><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Comments on Woodruff's rewrite of Entry for Publication: </span></b></div>
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<u><span style="color: #660000; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b>Woodruff embellished all these details 20 years later:</b></span></u></div>
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<li><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">That he we was so sick he couldn't even walk.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">He stated that his family only had four days worth of food. </span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">He failed to mention the name of his wife Phebe. (by 1862 he had 9 wives) </span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Woodruff bragged about how humble his was.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">That he laid hands on his wife and family to bless them. </span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">That he ran into Joseph Smith who gave him a blessing and promises.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">That he ran into a nearly naked Parley P. Pratt who gave him a purse. </span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">That he ran into Heber C. Kimball who gave him a dollar.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It's obvious that he want to show that he left without "Purse or script" but God provided. </span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It's amazing that he happened to run into all the most important men in the church. And that he didn't run into any of the men that by 1862 were considered evil apostates: William Law, Sidney Rigdon, William Smith, John C. Bennett. </span></li>
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Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-90451989665461480052019-01-16T14:22:00.000-08:002019-01-16T16:46:32.911-08:00"I go like a lamb to the slaughter"<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b id="docs-internal-guid-d2200348-7fff-bb8b-dd79-50795dfc1efd" style="font-weight: normal;"></b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b>Another error in the LDS "Church History Primary Manual". </b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="color: #0b5394;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/primary-5-doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history/lesson-37?lang=eng"><span id="docs-internal-guid-d2200348-7fff-bb8b-dd79-50795dfc1efd" style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.00784314); display: inline; float: none; font-size: 16px;">From the Primary Manual Lesson 37.</span></span></a></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b id="docs-internal-guid-d2200348-7fff-bb8b-dd79-50795dfc1efd" style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255 , 255 , 255 , 0.01); color: #333333; display: inline; float: none; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">Joseph knew that if they went back they would be killed, but he told other Church leaders: “<u><b>I am going like a lamb to the slaughter, but I am calm as a summer’s morning</b></u>. I have a conscience void of offense toward God and toward all men. If they take my life I shall die an innocent man, and my blood shall cry from the ground for vengeance, and it shall be said of me ‘He was murdered in cold blood!’”</span></b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b id="docs-internal-guid-d2200348-7fff-bb8b-dd79-50795dfc1efd" style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255 , 255 , 255 , 0.01); color: #333333; display: inline; float: none; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"></span></b></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #660000;"><b>The lesson gives the false impression that Joseph was a quiet simple man that was quick to turn himself in. </b></span></span><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"></span><br />
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<b>Another Church History Book paints a different picture:</b><br />
<a href="https://www.lds.org/study/history/saints-v1/44-a-lamb-to-the-slaughter?lang=eng">The Saints Chapter 44 - written in 2018</a><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"></span><br />
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“It is thought by some that our enemies would be satisfied with my destruction,” he said, “but I tell you that as soon as they have shed my blood, they will thirst for the blood of every man in whose heart dwells a single spark of the spirit of the fullness of the gospel.”</div>
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<u><b>Drawing his sword and raising it to the sky, Joseph urged the men to defend the liberties that had been denied them in the past. “Will you all stand by me to the death,” Joseph asked, “and sustain, at the peril of your lives, the laws of our country?</b></u>”</div>
The truth is that he went to his death swinging. We do know that he had a gun smuggled into his jail cell and that he shot at six times. Some sources say that two men died from the gunshots, but it isn't certain. <br />
It is also questionable if Joseph really thought he would die. He had been remarkably resourceful in the past at getting out of tough situations and he did have the assurance that Governor Ford would protect him. <br />
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<b>Other Resources:</b><br />
<a href="https://www.lds.org/study/history/saints-v1/44-a-lamb-to-the-slaughter?lang=eng">LDS.org</a><br />
<a href="http://mormonmonsters.blogspot.com/2009/09/joseph-smith-died-as-lamb-to-slaughter.html">Mormon Mosters Blog</a><br />
<a href="https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE1947006">Bernhisel Letter </a><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b id="docs-internal-guid-d2200348-7fff-bb8b-dd79-50795dfc1efd" style="font-weight: normal;"></b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" /></span>Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-3235295844272987322019-01-15T13:30:00.001-08:002019-01-15T13:35:38.113-08:00Criticizing the Prophet will get your horse killed by God. <a href="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/s9rFJ2FwqYoNa77DUiqF7hu0QsWnqCMRr8q-rqCqFLFaTL2nx5O8UiOTIFbPJyUHLWPe-94iQbxLO8z1Sx3a6lfcon7P6iEyQI04kc0G1LPLePmjQJbfDwpBtCRfPDBbomsY19FA" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" height="200" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/s9rFJ2FwqYoNa77DUiqF7hu0QsWnqCMRr8q-rqCqFLFaTL2nx5O8UiOTIFbPJyUHLWPe-94iQbxLO8z1Sx3a6lfcon7P6iEyQI04kc0G1LPLePmjQJbfDwpBtCRfPDBbomsY19FA" width="132" /></a><br /> <span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #990000;"><b>Sylvester Smith’s Horse Dies because he criticizes the Prophet </b></span></span><br /><br /><a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/primary-5/lesson-28?lang=eng">Lesson # 28 Link</a> <br /><br /><span style="font-size: large;"><b>Lesson Story Summary: </b></span><br /><br />The Zion’s Camp expedition was struggling. Food and water were short or contaminated. The weather was extreme. The men were fighting each other and many were blaming Joseph Smith for their suffering. A man named Sylvester Smith was very angry with The Prophet. Joseph rebuked Sylvester and the other men. Almost every horse got sick. The men repented of their complaining. Every horse got better, except Sylvester Smith’s horse, which died. <br /><br />
<span style="color: #990000;"><span style="font-size: large;"><b>Why it is wrong: </b></span></span><br /><span style="font-size: small;"><b><br />The purpose of the lesson appears to be: </b></span><br /> <span style="background-color: #990000;"><b><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #990000;"><span style="background-color: white;">Argue against authority at your own peril. </span></span> </span></b></span><br /><br />If you disagree with the Prophet or other church leadership, your horse might die or something terrible might happen. What a terrible message to give children. Church leaders make mistakes all the time. Don’t give the message that if you disagree you will be cursed. <br /><br />The fact is that the expedition was horribly planned. Even though Joseph Smith had months to prepare. They didn’t take nearly enough provisions or money and their equipment was poor. The horses were suffering more than the men and often went days without adequate or clean water. It isn’t surprising that the men complained and that a horse died. <br /><br />The lesson oversimplifies that if you disagree, your horse will died. When there are so many other factors to consider. This also creates a modern church culture that even if the criticism of a leader is justified, you should still not complain. <br /><br /><b>Further Reading </b><br /><a href="http://signaturebookslibrary.org/on-the-potters-wheel-appendices-b/">Signature Books - Journal Entry</a> <br /><br /><a href="https://byustudies.byu.edu/content/volume-2-chapter-10">BYU - Studies Article </a> <br /><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_Smith_(Latter_Day_Saints)">Wikipedia Arti</a><br />
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More Primary Manual Craziness !!Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-66960545967771916152018-12-28T11:29:00.000-08:002018-12-28T13:03:50.480-08:00The LDS Primary Manual has more lies than the Nauvoo Expositor<div>
<b><span style="font-size: large;">NO. Don't destroy printing presses, </span></b><span style="font-size: large;">but we need to call out when a church prints myths as truth, especially to children<b>. </b></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Over the past year I have chronicled the many lies in the LDS Church manual for children. </span></div>
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<a href="http://www.116pages.com/2017/11/willard-richards-prophecy.html">Willard Richards Prophecy</a></div>
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<a href="http://www.116pages.com/2017/11/the-mormon-myth-of-1000-young-indian.html">1000 Young Indian Braves Don't attack Brigham Young</a></div>
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<a href="http://www.116pages.com/2017/10/john-moyle-story.html">70 year old man walks 26 miles twice a week on a peg leg.</a><br />
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<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/99yrxe/10_more_myths_lies_and_intentional_deceptions_in/?st=JQ8GV4DU&sh=e8126ee2">Here is a Link to a Reddit post listing the lies</a></div>
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Chapter 37 says that the Nauvoo Expositor was "filled with vicious lies" about Joseph Smith.</div>
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The reality is that the "Church History" Primary Manual contains more lies than the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauvoo_Expositor">Nauvoo Expositor</a> and when William Law called out Joseph Smith's abuse and polygamy it was true.<br />
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Is it time to destroy the printing presses of the LDS Church ? No, but it is time to call them out on the lies, myths and half truths that are contained in a manual taught to children. </div>
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<b><a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/primary-5-doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history/lesson-37?lang=eng">In Chapter 37 of the Primary Manual #5</a>, it says,</b></div>
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<i>"Some enemies of the Church....started a newspaper in which they <b>told many vicious lies</b> about Joseph Smith. The members of the Church were <b>angry about these lies</b>. Joseph Smith, who was mayor of Nauvoo at the time, called a meeting of the city council, which was composed of both Church members and nonmembers. The city council declared the newspaper a “public nuisance” and ordered the town marshal to destroy the printing press used to print the newspaper."</i></div>
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The Nauvoo Expositor did not tell lies, it exposed Joseph Smith's polygamy, abuse of power and </div>
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<b>The Nauvoo Expositor article had three main points:</b></div>
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1. Joseph Smith was a fallen prophet.</div>
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2. Joseph was practicing polygamy.</div>
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3. Joseph Smith had too much power and was trying to create a theocracy.<br />
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<b>All of these are true, but there are <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/99yrxe/10_more_myths_lies_and_intentional_deceptions_in/?st=JQ8GV4DU&sh=e8126ee2">at least 25 lies</a> that the LDS Church knowingly teaches children between the ages or 8 and 11 in their manual. </b></div>
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<a href="http://thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com/the-vicious-lies-of-the-nauvoo-expositor-a-50-challenge/">$50 challenge</a><br />
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Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-44611673283115019262018-11-18T10:37:00.002-08:002021-02-08T21:41:32.523-08:00Titanic Warning - Missed Opportunity<div style="text-align: center;">
<b><span style="color: #990000; font-size: x-large;">Mormon Church - Titanic</span></b><br />
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The Titanic Arrives in Southampton.</div>
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Crew, cooks and employees begin to fill the ship.</div>
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Supplies, foodstuffs and freight is loaded.</div>
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LDS Prophet Joseph F. Smith talks about tithing and the enemies of the church.</div>
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Beds are made and more freight is loaded.</div>
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President Smith spoke about his uncle Joseph Smith</div>
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Titanic preparations continue.</div>
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Prophet of God speaks about missionary work.</div>
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Final touches on put on the ship, 20 lifeboats in place. </div>
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The Titanic sets sail from Southampton England<br />
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The Titanic Sinks in the Atlantic Ocean. More than 1500 people die, Including President Joseph F. Smith's cousin Irene Corbett.<br />
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LDS Church leaders meet to discuss tragedy. No public statement is made.<br />
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Carpathia brings first survivors into New York City<br />
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_telegraph_cable">Transatlantic Cables - Wikipedia</a><br />
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Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-40818769921246888392018-09-30T20:20:00.001-07:002020-09-27T03:33:34.904-07:00Cruel Primary Story is even worse:<br />
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<span style="color: #333331; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: 14px; white-space: pre-line;">I am including an article from the Church News (date unknown) written by Joseph Lundstrom and titled Pioneer Mother Lives Precept ‘Whither Thou Goest, I Will Go’.
“How is Ma? Is she better?” The large sleepless eyes of the little girl searched the face of her father as he looked out of the wagon. Six children stood in front of him. The oldest was 13. Orson Spencer smiled a smile of comfort at his children.
“She’s better. We’re going to take her over to (Bullocks’) cabin. You children be good and stay in the other wagon.”
For nearly a month, ever since they had left Nauvoo, mother Spencer had lain ill in the wagon. For the last ten days it had rained and snowed unceasingly. The temperature was down to 10 degrees below zero. It was too hard to keep her warm and dry in the wagon, with only a canvas top. Once things got wet, bedding, clothing, it was impossible to get them dry again.
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Once Orson Spencer had suggested that his wife and children return to (New York) to the care of her family where she could regain her precious health, her strength. But Catherine Curtis Spencer knew that this could not be. When she and her husband had joined the Church, her family disavowed her. Said her father, “You may return home only if you renounce ‘Mormonism.’”
Orson Spencer turned from his children to his sick companion. A kettle, set under a hole in the canvas to catch the rain, was beginning to overflow. He emptied it and hurriedly put it back under the hole. Once more, Orson Spencer spoke to his wife. Would she consider returning to her father’s home so that she might live to rear her family?
“Bring the Bible,” Catherine Spencer said to her husband.
He opened a trunk and brought out a worn leather-bound scripture, being careful to keep the rain from splashing on it. His hands touched the book with affection. His father had given it to him the day he graduated from theological seminary, one of the top members of the class.
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Catherine Spencer smiled bravely at her husband. She was a small but sturdy woman, reared in a home of refinement, culture and affluence. Her husband, how sorrowful he looked, she thought. Not as he had once appeared, while preaching in the Middlefield Baptist Church as an ordained minister. Even the governor of Massachusetts had been a member of his congregation then.
“Read the first chapter in Ruth,” she asked. Orson Spencer’s eyes filled with tears. He could hardly see the print , but he knew the words:
“And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge; Thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:”
A small, frail and tired hand reached out and found Orson Spencer’s hand. He held it tightly, shivered in the cold and listened to the beating rain on the canvas wagon top. “I would rather abide with Church, in poverty even in the wilderness, without their aid, than go to my unbelieving father’s house and have all he possess,” whispered the mother.
A night or two before she died, she said to her husband with unwonted animation, “A heavenly messenger has appeared to me tonight and told me I had done and suffered enough, and that he had come to carry me to a mansion of gold.”
They took Catherine to a nearby cabin. Before she died she called the children to her and gave them a kiss. “Oh you dear children, how I hope you may fall into kind hands when I am gone,” she said. To her husband she said, “ I love you more than ever, but you must let me go.” Asked if she had anything to say to her father’s people, she replied, “Charge them to live the gospel.”
The cold, tired body was returned to Nauvoo and buried at night, beside the grave of their (eighth) child, a little (girl) who had lived only 13 months. There were few in Nauvoo who mourned. Those who cared had been driven out.
On To Winter Quarters
Motherless, the children and their father found their way to Winter Quarters, 150 miles away. Here a cabin was built by Orson Spencer – not for himself, but for the children alone. He had received a call to serve a mission in England to edit the Millenial Star. Soon other huts mushroomed about and by the time snows fell again the next winter more than 3,000 refugees had crowded into 700 log and sod buildings.
During the summer 500 hundred of the able-bodied men had marched away to do battle in a war with Mexico. They left Winter Quarters singing “The Girl I left Behind Me.” It was the start historic march of the Mormon Battalion.
From somewhere Orson Spencer managed to get 10 cows, a donkey, a few supplies. He asked neighbors, James and Mary Bullock, to keep an eye on his children. The o ldest was now 14.
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Tearfully he embraced each one and then set out for England, he was to remain away for one, two, and three winters. But that first winter was the hardest. The donkey and all but one of the cows died. Food was scarce, and they were finally limited to cornmeal. Wilford Woodruff learned of the children’s plight, admired their pride and furnished them flour and pork.
Then they came down with the measles. Letters arrived from England, but no money. Brigham Young called on the children. “Would they care if their father remained in England another year?” he asked. The children could go to the Rocky Mountains, he would help them. “If it is thought best,” said Ellen, the eldest, “we would like it so, for we want to do for the best.” The others voiced their agreement.
So it was that they crossed the plains walking most of the way, the wagons were too loaded with precious supplies to carry those who could walk. It took five months to make the trek. They reached the Salt Lake Valley. A year later their father returned to them.
The third oldest child, Aurelia, lived, matured and grew to womanhood. She married Thomas Rogers, settled in Farmington, raised 12 children and died in 1922, she was 87. In 1878 she helped organize and was set apart as the first president of the first Primary in the Church. Today Aurelia Spencer Rogers is recognized as the “Mother of the Primary.”
One wonders: What would have become of this great lady – a daughter of Zion and a mother in Israel – had her own mother, Catherine Spencer, that night on the wintery plains, decided to return to (New York) and her father’s home?</span><br />
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<br />Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-77630046218235365352018-05-19T10:59:00.001-07:002019-03-23T19:20:15.494-07:00How a myth is made....<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #990000; font-size: large;">How a Myth is Made...</span></span></b></span><br />
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<b><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: large;">Elder Thomas S. Monson from 1977</span></b></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: white;"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="color: #201500;"><a href="https://www.deseretnews.com/article/695265222/In-President-Monsons-own-words-Noisy-project-has-an-adverse-effect.html">Deseret News - 2008</a></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);">Many may know that young Bishop Monson took a week of his personal vacation time every Christmas season to visit all of those <b><span style="color: #660000;">eighty-five widows</span></b> in his ward. Many may </span><em style="background: 0px 0px rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01); border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">not </em><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);">know that for the first several years the gift he would take them was one of the Barred Plymouth Rock or Rhode Island R<span style="color: #333333;">ed hens </span><span style="color: #990000;"><b><span style="color: #660000;">raised and dressed out by him in his own poultry coops</span><span style="color: #990000;">.</span></b></span> And although it has been more than thirty years since he was released as their bishop, President Monson has taken a gift and <u>visited </u></span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);"><u>every</u></span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);"><u> one of those widows</u> <u>every Christmas</u> for as l<u>ong as each has lived</u>. </span></span></span><br />
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<a href="https://www.lds.org/ensign/1986/02/president-thomas-s-monson-man-of-action-man-of-faith-always-on-the-lords-errand?lang=eng"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The Ensign - 1986</span></a><br />
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<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">In 1994 Jeffery R. Holland version Jeffery Holland <b><span style="color: #660000;">added two widows </span></b>and add the fact that Monson left gifts purchase from his own pocket. </span><br />
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<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">"Nearly all of those <span style="color: #660000;"><b>eighty-seven widows </b></span>are gone now, but their “bishop” kept visiting them to the end. One night during the Christmas holidays some years ago, President Monson was making his customary rounds to “his” widows, <b><span style="color: #660000;">leaving gifts purchased from his own pocket</span></b>, including plump dressed chickens that were, in the early years, <b><span style="color: #660000;">raised in his own coops</span></b>."</span></span><br />
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<a href="https://www.lds.org/ensign/1994/09/president-thomas-s-monson-finishing-the-course-keeping-the-faith?lang=eng"><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;">The Ensign - 1994</span></a><br />
<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><b><span style="font-size: large;">See Also: </span></b><a href="http://www.116pages.com/2018/01/did-thomas-s-monson-really-speak-at.html">Did Thomas Monson really speak at All 85 Widow's Funerals</a></span>
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<span style="font-family: "georgia" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);"><br /></span></span>Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-15545594819278282142018-05-08T11:06:00.004-07:002018-05-08T13:36:57.810-07:00How Long Does it Take to Kill, Skin and Cook a Rabbit ?<h3 style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; color: #111111; font-family: "open sans"; line-height: 30px; margin: 27px 0px 17px;">
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1. How long does it take to kill, skin and cook a rabbit by somebody who has never done it?<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Thomas S. Monson told this story on several occasions:</span></h3>
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<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rescue-Biography-Thomas-S-Monson/dp/160641898X" target="_blank">This version is from a book on Thomas Monson by Heidi Swinton</a></div>
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<b style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; box-sizing: border-box;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box; color: navy;">"One year, the home was buzzing with Thanksgiving preparations when Charlie Renshaw, a friend from over the back fence, stood outside, as was the custom of these young friends, and hollered, “Tom-my!”</span></b></div>
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<b style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; box-sizing: border-box;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box; color: navy;">When Tom asked what Charlie’s family was having for dinner, the answer was, “I dunno. There’s nothing in the house.”</span></b></div>
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<b style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; box-sizing: border-box;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box; color: navy;">Tom pondered. He knew his mother always found something to feed those who came to the door. He had no extra turkeys, chickens, or money. But he did have two pet rabbits, a male and female, the pride of his life, beautiful New Zealand whites. He motioned to his friend and headed for the specially constructed rabbit hutch built by one of his uncles. He reached in and grabbed his two pet rabbits, put them in a gunnysack, and handed the bag to Charlie.</span></b></div>
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<b style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; box-sizing: border-box;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box; color: navy;">“Rabbit meat tastes better than chicken,” Tom said. “Their hide makes really good knuckle pads when you are playing marbles. You know, you can sell the hides for a quarter each over at the hide company. These two rabbits will give your family a good dinner.”</span></b></div>
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<b style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; box-sizing: border-box;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box; color: navy;">Charlie was on the fence—the boys used the fences like sidewalks in his neighborhood—and heading for his yard before Tom could close the door to his empty rabbit hutch. He realized he had given all he had. He had met someone else’s need and did not regret it. The pattern was in place: “I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat. . . . Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.</span></b></div>
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<a href="https://mormonhub.com/blog/faith/lds-church-leadership/biography-of-thomas-s-monson/"><span style="color: navy; font-family: "alegreya sans" , sans-serif;"><b><i>Mormon Hub</i></b></span></a><br />
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<span style="color: #6b6b6b; font-family: "opensans" , sans-serif , "georgia"; font-size: 18px;">When young Tom learned a family of one of his friends planned to eat cereal moistened with hot water for Christmas dinner, he invited his friend to his backyard. He then took his two pet rabbits out of their hutch and gave them to his friend for Christmas dinner for his family. </span><br />
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<a href="https://www.lds.org/new-era/2015/12/christmas-memories-from-prophets-and-apostles?lang=eng"><span style="color: #6b6b6b; font-family: "opensans" , sans-serif , "georgia";"><span style="font-size: 18px;">lds.org Memories of Christmas</span></span></a><br />
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<span style="color: #6b6b6b; font-family: "opensans" , sans-serif , "georgia";"><span style="font-size: 18px;">https://www.lds.org/new-era/1986/12/christmas-gifts-christmas-blessings?lang=eng</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #6b6b6b; font-family: "opensans" , sans-serif , "georgia";"><span style="font-size: 18px;">https://www.lds.org/ensign/2012/12/prophets-at-christmastime?lang=eng</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #6b6b6b; font-family: "opensans" , sans-serif , "georgia";"><span style="font-size: 18px;">https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/jonathan-g-sandberg_healing-courage-action-grace/</span></span><br />
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<b style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; box-sizing: border-box;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box; color: navy;"><a href="https://wheatandtares.org/2018/01/04/remembering-president-monson/" target="_blank">Wheat and Tares - Obituary</a></span></b><br />
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<a href="http://www.ldsliving.com/One-of-President-Monson-s-Most-Memorable-Thanksgivings/s/83736" target="_blank"><b style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; box-sizing: border-box;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box; color: navy;">LDS Living</span></b></a><br />
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<b style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; box-sizing: border-box;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box; color: navy;"> https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/memories/KWZB-7NT</span></b><br />
<b style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; box-sizing: border-box;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box; color: navy;">http://www2.byui.edu/Presentations/Transcripts/Devotionals/2012_01_17_ScottCameron.htm</span></b><br />
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<b style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; box-sizing: border-box;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box; color: navy;">https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/8c2m74/another_bullshit_story_told_by_thomas_s_monson/</span></b><br />
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Many Latter-day Saints have heard President Monson tell a Christmas story about his own toy train, and giving a train car to a less-fortunate friend in the neighborhood. Another Christmas story he wrote about involved two rabbits that he gave to a friend who — when asked what his family was having for Christmas dinner — said he didn't know, and had never tasted chicken or turkey.</div>
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He later wrote that he shed tears as he put two of his own rabbits in a bag for his friend, "but there was a warm feeling in my heart (later) ... when he told me this was the best Christmas dinner he and his family had ever had." <span style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; color: #4b4b4b; display: inline !important; float: none; font-family: interface, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration-color: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;">Ensign, December 1995</span></div>
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<a href="https://www.deseretnews.com/article/695250152/President-Monson-recalls-influence-of-family-on-his-life.html">Even Less believable Desnews version </a></div>
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Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-66541332808987063342018-05-04T09:59:00.001-07:002018-05-04T10:16:31.925-07:00The Sweetwater Rescue Myth<div style="text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: large;"><b>The Mormon Church has stretched the truth so much that it calls into question, every story they have ever told. </b> </span></div>
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<span style="color: #660000; font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: large;"><b>Here is one.....</b></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: large;"><b>From the current Primary Manual #5 - Church History:</b></span><br />
<a href="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fqe2rHO-L1s/WuyPzbjj-HI/AAAAAAAABIY/dg3sK455MRQRXBoWfl02FGBt269boZR3ACLcBGAs/s1600/sweetwater.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="205" data-original-width="246" height="166" src="https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fqe2rHO-L1s/WuyPzbjj-HI/AAAAAAAABIY/dg3sK455MRQRXBoWfl02FGBt269boZR3ACLcBGAs/s200/sweetwater.jpeg" width="200" /></a><span style="color: #990000; font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);"> "Then three eighteen-year-old boys from the relief party came to their rescue. George W. Grant, David P. Kimball, and C. Allen Huntington plunged into the icy water </span><span class="page-break" data-page="257" style="background: 0px 0px rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01); border: 0px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"></span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);">and began carrying people across the river. They made many trips and carried almost the entire company across. </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #990000; font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);"> The cold water caused health problems for the boys, and years later all three died from these health problems. When President Brigham Young heard what these three boys had done, he wept. He later said that this act alone would ensure the three young men places in the celestial kingdom."</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);"><b>Since at least 2006 the LDS Church has known that the basic facts of the story are false:</b></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);">a. None of the young men were 18 years old.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);">b. There is little evidence that any of the men died as a result of the act. </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);">c. Brigham Young has no right or knowledge if they earned their places in the Celestial Kingdom. </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);">d. There were more than three rescuers.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);"><b>The true story just isn't good enough!</b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: large;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);">The reality is that there was a rescue, people did carry others across, the handcart pioneers were really brave and suffered horribly. Unfortunately, that isn't good enough for the LDS Church. It has to make a story even bigger, more miraculous and make their leaders look really great.</span></span><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">So why does the church continue to present folklore as fact?</span></b><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">a. Because they've lied for so long.</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">b. Because it will prove that their leaders have no power of discernment.</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">c. Because it shows that their lesson manuals are not inspired.</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">d. Because they would have to correct the church record going back generations.</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">e. Because they will NOT apologize.</span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;">f. Because they would have to re-translate 100's of church manuals and talks. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);"><b><u>Further Reading:</u></b></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);"><a href="http://brycox.com/lds/BryCox-SweetwaterRescue.pdf" target="_blank">Bry Cox Article</a></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);"><a href="https://byustudies.byu.edu/file/5164/download?token=nJyqsfIw" target="_blank">BYU Article - Chad Orton</a></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><a href="https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/volume-10-number-2-2009/sweetwater-revisited-sour-notes-and-ways-learning" target="_blank">BYU-I Article - The Problems with Hollywood Style Storytelling</a></span><br />
<a href="https://chadlawrencenielsen.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/handcart-myth-and-fact/" target="_blank">Chad's Musings - Handcart Myths</a><br />
<a href="http://www.withoutend.org/truth-untrue-storytelling-mormonism/" target="_blank">Mormon Studies Roundtable</a><br />
<a href="http://juvenileinstructor.org/pioneer-day-the-sweetwater-rescue-and-the-roles-of-history-in-mormonism/" target="_blank">Juvenile Instructor</a><br />
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<span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "times" , "times new roman" , serif; font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.01);"><b><u>A sample of places on LDS.org where the false story is still repeated:</u></b></span></span><br />
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/ensign/1984/07/the-faith-of-the-pioneers?lang=eng" style="text-decoration: none;">1984 Ensign - Gordon B. Hinckley</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/new-era/2011/12/what-is-mighty-prayer?lang=eng" style="text-decoration: none;">New Era Story - 2006</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1992/10/a-priceless-heritage?lang=eng" style="text-decoration: none;">1992 General Conference - Faust</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/new-testament-teacher-resource-manual/the-gospel-according-to-saint-luke/luke-7-9?lang=eng" style="text-decoration: none;">New Testament Lesson Manual</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/ensign/1997/08/they-came-by-handcart?lang=eng" style="text-decoration: none;">1997 Ensign - Paul Peterson</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/new-era/1993/05/answer-the-call?lang=eng" style="text-decoration: none;">1993 New Era - Jack Goaslind</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/ensign/1990/05/my-brothers-keeper?lang=eng&clang=ase" style="text-decoration: none;">1990 Ensign - Thomas S. Monson</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/ensign/1988/07/contents?lang=eng" style="text-decoration: none;">1998 Ensign - Image</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history-gospel-doctrine-teachers-manual/lesson-35-a-mission-of-saving?lang=eng" style="text-decoration: none;">Gospel Doctrine Manual - Church History</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history-gospel-doctrine-teachers-manual/lesson-35-a-mission-of-saving?lang=spa" style="text-decoration: none;">Spanish Language - Church History</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://history.lds.org/overlandtravel/sources/7552/loynd-james-the-martin-handcart-company-1926" style="text-decoration: none;">1926 Church History Document</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/34822_AaronicPriesthood3/ap3-38-the-pure-love-of-christ_41.pdf" style="text-decoration: none;">Aaronic Priesthood Manual</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1992/10/a-priceless-heritage?lang=deu&country=br" style="text-decoration: none;">German Language - General Conference</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/young-women-manual-3/040?lang=por" style="text-decoration: none;">Portuguese Language - Young Women’s</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history-video-guide/chapter-20-doctrine-and-covenants-136-tried-in-all-things?lang=deu" style="text-decoration: none;">German Language - Gospel Doctrine</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/young-women-manual-3/040?lang=por" style="text-decoration: none;">Portuguese Language - Primary Manual</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1992/10/a-priceless-heritage?lang=ita" style="text-decoration: none;">Italian Language - General Conference - Faust</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/primary-5-doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history/lesson-43-handcart-companies-come-to-the-salt-lake-valley?lang=deu" style="text-decoration: none;">German Language - Primary Manual</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/primary-5/lesson-42?lang=spa" style="text-decoration: none;">Spanish Language - Primary Manual</a></span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/manual/aaronic-priesthood-manual-3/lesson-38-the-pure-love-of-christ?lang=por" style="text-decoration: none;">Portuguese Language - Aaronic Priesthood Manual</a></span></div>
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<b><span style="font-family: times; font-size: large;">Joseph Smith's Elect Lady Revelation </span></b></div>
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<span style="font-family: times; font-size: large;"><b>July 1830:</b></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: times;"><span>Joseph Smith received a revelation of comfort for Emma. T<u>he original document has been lost. </u> Emma had lost her first child, persecution against Joseph and the Church was intense and Joseph was in serious legal trouble. Also, Emma Smith was baptized on </span><span style="background-color: white; color: #202124; font-size: 16px;">June 28, 1830, (Not April 6th), but multiple issues had delayed her confirmation. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: times;">Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer are assigned to record Joseph Smith's revelations. Their collection of documents were copied into a book called "The Revelation Book". Below is a scan of their handwriting. The revelation to Emma is called "27th Commandment". </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: times;"><span><span>(Highlighting is digital) </span></span></span><div><span style="font-family: times;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: times;"><b>Revelation begins:</b> </span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times;"><span> </span><i>"Emma, my daughter in Zion, </i> <i style="color: #333333; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;">A Revelation I give unto you concerning my will"</i></span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: McKay, serif; font-size: 18px; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;"><b><span style="font-family: times;">Specific praise:</span></b></span></div><div><div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">"</span><i style="font-family: times;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;">A Revelation I give unto you concerning my will </span></i></span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i style="font-family: times;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;">Behold thy sins are for given thee & thou art an Elect </span></i><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: times; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;"><i>Lady."</i></span></span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: times; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;"><i><br /></i></span></span></b></div><div style="text-align: right;"><b><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: times; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;"><i><a href="https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/revelation-book-1/18">Source: Joseph Smith Papers</a></i></span></b></div><span style="font-family: times;">
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b>July 20, 1833</b></span></span><br />
<span><span style="background-color: white; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;">A group of 400 </span>Missouri<span style="background-color: white; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;"> </span><span style="background-color: white; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;">vigilantes stormed the Church's </span>printing office in Independence and <span style="background-color: white; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;">destroyed or confiscated much of the contents. The text below is from one of the few books that was made from rescued manuscripts. There are minor changes made from the 1831 version. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: times; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><a href="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1jB4K7WcGIg/WrK34_NzulI/AAAAAAAABE4/bN45OZksXCsoTOkpulb64y4FMdiIwmlNQCEwYBhgL/s1600/1833.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1050" data-original-width="1500" height="280" src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1jB4K7WcGIg/WrK34_NzulI/AAAAAAAABE4/bN45OZksXCsoTOkpulb64y4FMdiIwmlNQCEwYBhgL/s400/1833.jpg" width="400" /></a> </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: times; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><div style="font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="font-family: times;"><b>Revelation begins:</b> </span></div><div style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times;"> <i>"Emma, my daughter in Zion, </i></span><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: McKay, serif; font-size: 18px; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;"><i>A Revelation I give unto you concerning my will"</i></span></div><div style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: McKay, serif; font-size: 18px; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div style="font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="background-color: white; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;"><b><span style="font-family: times;">Specific praise:</span></b></span></div><div style="font-family: "Times New Roman";"><div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;">"</span><i style="font-family: times;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;">A Revelation I give unto you concerning my will </span></i></span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><i style="font-family: times;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;">Behold thy sins are <b>forgiven</b> thee<b>, and </b>thou art an Elect </span></i><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: times; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;"><i>Lady."</i></span></span></div></div></div></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="clear: left; float: left; font-family: times; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1600" data-original-width="1076" height="182" src="https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uETuclCPwJA/WrLLgEpYWkI/AAAAAAAABFQ/D_MCtNvjiDQYIIF0v44JoVCOOM7kxCYXwCLcBGAs/w122-h182/saving.jpg" width="122" /></span><span style="font-family: times; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">This image is often associated with the destruction of the printing press. </div><div style="text-align: left;">These girls risked their lives to save copies of the printed pages. </div><div style="text-align: left;">(The originals were not at the site)</div><div style="text-align: left;">Also note that one of the girls later became one of Joseph Smith's polygamous wives. </div></span></div>
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<span>A teenage girl named Fanny Alger is hired to live and work in the Smith home. She helps Emma with the children, cleaning and cooking. At some point she starts a relationship with Joseph Smith. </span><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">November 1835</span></b><br />
<span>The book called the Doctrine and Covenants was published in 1835 in Kirtland, Ohio. The Emma Smith revelation was put in Section 48. A <u><b>conditional clause</b></u> is added to Emma's revelation. In the 1831 version, Emma was called an "Elect Lady", but in the 1835 version it is given "<b>IF THOU ART FAITHFUL and WALK IN THE PATHS OF VIRTUE</b>".</span><br />
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<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: times;"><b>Revelation begins:</b> </span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: times;"> <b>"</b></span><b><span face="Palatino, "Palatino Linotype", Palatino-Roman, Pahoran, "Pahoran ldsLat", "Noto Sans Myanmar", NotoSansMyanmar, SaysetthaldsLao, NotoSerifTamil, serif" style="background-color: white; text-align: left;">Hearken unto the voice of the Lord your God, </span></b></span></i></div><div style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-size: medium;"><span face="Palatino, "Palatino Linotype", Palatino-Roman, Pahoran, "Pahoran ldsLat", "Noto Sans Myanmar", NotoSansMyanmar, SaysetthaldsLao, NotoSerifTamil, serif" style="background-color: white; text-align: left;">while I speak unto you, Emma Smith, my daughter;</span><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: McKay, serif; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;">"</span></span></i></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: McKay, serif; font-size: 18px; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div><span style="background-color: white; font-variant-ligatures: none; text-indent: 22px;"><b><span style="font-family: times;">Specific praise:</span></b></span></div><div><div style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;">A revelation I give unto you concerning my will; </span></b></span></i></div><div style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;">and if thou art faithful and </span>walk<span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;"> in the paths of </span>virtue<span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;"> before me, </span></b></span></i></div><div style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;">I will preserve thy life, </span></b></span></i></div><div style="text-align: center;"><i><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;">and thou shalt receive an </span>inheritance<span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;"> in Zion.</span></b></span></i></div></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><i><span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;">Behold, thy </span>sins<span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;"> are forgiven thee, and thou art an </span>elect<span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;"> </span>lady<span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;">, whom I have </span>called<span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;">.</span></i></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><b style="color: #990000; font-family: times; font-size: x-large;"><br /></b></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #990000; font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b>Why would a conditional clause be added?</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #990000; font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><b>Why would the voice of God, become more direct and angry?</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><b><span style="color: #990000; font-family: times;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Why was the phrase, "</span><span style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;">"<span style="background-color: white; text-align: left;">Hearken unto the voice of the Lord your God" added?</span></span></span></span></b></div>
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<span style="font-family: times;"><span><b>Is it possible </b>that Emma had grown weary with Joseph's polygamy? / adultery? Would this IF statement put greater pressure on Emma to accept Fanny Alger and the relationship she had with Joseph?</span><br />
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<span><span style="background-color: #fdfbfc;">For context, be aware that the Kirtland Temple was dedicated after this revelation came out. At that time, Joseph said that he received the "Sealing Power" from an angel. </span></span><br />
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<span>Section 132 is recorded. This section puts even more pressure on Emma Smith to conform. Saying that she might be "<b>destroyed</b>". </span><span><br /></span>
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<i><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 18px;">"and let mine handmaid </span><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 18px;">Emma </span><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 18px;">Smith </span><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 18px;">receive all those that have been given unto my </span><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 18px;">Servent Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; </span><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 18px;">And those who are not pure <and have Said they ware pure> <b>Shall be destroyed"</b></span></i><br />
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<span><span><b>The Emma Smith revelations are now found in Doctrine and Covenants section 25 and section 132 in the present Utah - LDS Scripture. </b> </span></span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: times;"><span><span><span style="color: #990000;"><div style="text-align: right;"><a href="https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/25?lang=eng" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: medium;">Link to Doctrine and Covenants 25</span></a></div></span></span></span></span></div><div style="text-align: right;"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><div style="text-align: right;"><a href="https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132?lang=eng"><span style="font-family: times; font-size: medium;">Link to Doctrine and Covenants 132</span></a></div><span style="font-family: times;">
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<span><span><b><span style="color: #990000; font-size: large;">Additional Reading</span></b></span> </span><br />
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<span><a href="https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/sperry-symposium-classics-doctrine-and-covenants/10-elect-lady-revelation-dc-25-its" target="_blank">BYU Article</a></span></span><br />
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<a href="https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Plural_wives/Fanny_Alger" target="_blank"><span>FairMormon Article on Fannie Alger</span></a><br />
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<a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/peculiarpeople/2014/03/emma-my-daughter-in-zion-1/" target="_blank"><span>Patheos Article</span></a></span><br />
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<a href="http://www.mormonthink.com/d&c.htm" target="_blank"><span>Mormon Think</span></a></span><br />
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<span><a href="https://www.lds.org/ensign/2009/07/the-joseph-smith-papers-the-manuscript-revelation-books?lang=eng" target="_blank">The Revelations Books</a></span></span><br />
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<span><a href="http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/book-of-commandments-1833/1#historical-intro" target="_blank">Book of Commandments at Joseph Smith Papers</a></span></span><br />
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</div></div>Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-71056523513744244402018-03-18T08:22:00.000-07:002018-03-18T16:57:31.827-07:00Controlling by FEAR<b><span style="font-size: large;">The Mormon Church has perfected the doctrine of fear. </span></b><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Fear of Causing Suffering of Others. </span><span style="font-size: small;">(If you don't do Family History / Temple work, your dead family members are suffering in spirit prison for 100's of years.)</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Fear of Death</span>. (If you forget to pray before leaving the house, or drink coffee or eat out on Sunday)<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Fear of Shunning,</span> (If you wear the wrong cloths, say the wrong thing, express doubt, don't serve a mission)<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Fear of Eternal Suffering, </span>(If you have even sinned once and haven't repented)<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Fear of loss of Family, </span>(If they go to Celestial Kingdom and you don't)<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Fear of Loss of Blessings,</span> (If you fail to pay tithing or read you scriptures or pray or do Home Teaching)<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Fear of Financial Ruin</span>, (If you don't pay 100 percent tithing or do your calling)<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Fear of Judgement, </span>(By God, by bishop, by people in class, by neighbors)<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Fear of Embarrassment,</span> (If your house, car, kids, lesson, talk isn't perfect)<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Fear of the Second Coming, </span>(Earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, death torture)<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Fear of Damnation </span>(If you tell secret temple handshakes, or oaths)<br />
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">No wonder Mormons have some of the highest depression rates in the world. Everything we do is motivated by fear. </span></b><br />
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It is cruel and yet effective. I wonder how many Mormon's attend Church and pay tithing only out of fear. I would say most. This defines a cult.<br />
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<br />Fred Pages - Issues Facing Mormonismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09599964706353606646noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5795949368632311917.post-79661780788751038382018-03-02T07:48:00.000-08:002018-03-02T08:11:26.249-08:00Bingo of Mormon Historical and Doctrinal Issues<div style="text-align: center;">
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<span style="color: #990000; font-size: x-large;"><b>Glossary:</b></span><br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Dunn:</b></span> </div>
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Paul H. Dunn told lies for years that went unnoticed by the "Prophets, Seers and Revelators" who were supposedly speaking to God. </div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Translation</b></span><b><span style="font-size: large;">:</span></b> </div>
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Several books and documents show evidence that Smith really couldn't translate. </div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Coffee: </b></span> </div>
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Even with several health benefits, coffee will prevent a parent from seeing a child's marriage or participating in church. </div>
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">White: </span></b> </div>
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100 Percent of the Prophets and Apostles have been white. </div>
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">Perfection:</span></b> </div>
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Depression and suicide are unfortunate results of the expectation to be perfect. </div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Misogyny: </b></span> </div>
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Women have been traded, abused, mocked and ignored throughout LDS history. </div>
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">Doors: </span></b> </div>
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Old men ask young boys and girls sexual questions behind closed doors. </div>
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">Noah:</span></b> </div>
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Mormons still claim a universal flood and a God that commits genocide.</div>
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">Polyandry:</span></b> </div>
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Joseph Smith sent men on missions and had sex with their wives.<br />
<b><span style="font-size: large;">Hat:</span></b><br />
For 2500 years the Golden Plates were supposedly created, engraved and saved from destruction and yet Smith wrote the Book of Mormon by looking into a hat.<br />
<b><span style="font-size: large;">Myths: </span></b><br />
Visits by God, Jesus and various angels have been made up years after the fact to support a narrative that the Mormon Church is special.<br />
<b><span style="font-size: large;">DNA: </span></b><br />
The Book of Mormon story is continually disproved by a mountain DNA evidence as well as a lack of archaeology.<br />
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Knowing these truths will truly set you free. </div>
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">LGBTQ:</span></b> </div>
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Doctrines related to LGBTQ members demonstrate an uninformed and cruel leadership.</div>
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">Science:</span></b> </div>
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Ignored when convenient, embraced when supportive. </div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Mall:</b></span> </div>
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Billions spend on luxury while children starve and suffer. </div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Teen:</b></span> </div>
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Old men having sex with teenage girls and claiming that God commanded it. </div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Old:</b></span> </div>
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Church leadership is out of touch with most of humanity. </div>
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">Horse:</span></b> </div>
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Making up excuses for serious anachronisms in the Book of Mormon. </div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Predator: </b></span></div>
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Joseph Smith stalked and raped young girls and married women. </div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Polygamy: </b></span> </div>
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The Church will not admit the evil and abuse this doctrine is still causing.</div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Tyrant:</b></span> </div>
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Brigham Young's lies, abuse and oppression are insidious. </div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Racism:</b></span> </div>
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LDS doctrine and scriptures are still filled with racism today. </div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Money:</b></span> </div>
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Billions of dollars and millions of hours are spent doing rituals that help nobody. </div>
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<b><span style="font-size: large;">Handshakes:</span></b><b style="font-size: x-large;"> </b>Secret handshakes, costumes, oaths and chants show the Mormon Church is really a cult. </div>
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