Wednesday, December 30, 2015

The LDS Church is NOT " Pro - Family " !!

20 Questions to Ask when people say

“The LDS Church is “PRO - FAMILY”

Source Priority to Official LDS Resources:

1. Does the official LDS magazine say, “Even if paying tithing means that you don’t have enough money to feed your family, pay tithing”.  
Yes     
Source:  LDS.org

2. Did Joseph Smith marry women that his wife Emma did NOT know about?    
Yes!  Around 35 women
Source:  LDS.org Essay

3. Did Wilford Woodruff marry a 15 year old girl when he was 47?
Yes… Emma Smoot
Source: Todd Compton

4. If a Mormon drinks coffee can they go their child’s temple wedding?
No
Source:  LDS.org Talk

5. Who does the Mormon Church consider an “apostate”: A gay man who is legally married to his husband for ten years or a man who hires a prostitute every night?
The legally married gay man
Source:  KUTV News

6. Does the LDS Church have rules about what couples can do during sex?
Yes
Source:  Page #1     Page #2
(If people say that isn’t a rule anymore, ask them to show you where the policy was changed.)

7. How many times can an 18 year old young man call their parents every year on their mission?
Two times
Source:  LDS.org
8. Does the LDS Church discourage “mixed race marriages”?
Yes                                                                                         
Source:  LDS.org

9. Are there families that are split up for eternity because the father speaks in favor of gay marriage?
Yes
Source:  S.L. Tribune

10. Did a Mormon Apostle once say, “'I think no more of taking a wife than I do of buying a cow”.
Yes
Source:  AZQuotes

11. Were the young women from Europe who join the church in the 1850’s told about polygamy, and were then divided up like cattle when they arrived in Salt Lake?
Yes
Source:  LOC.gov

12. Are adult children of LGBT parents required to “disavow” the marriages of their parents before they can be baptized?
Yes
Source:  Washington Post

13. Did Joseph Smith take wives from active LDS men and have them sealed to himself?
Yes
Source: LDS.org

14. In the Mormon temple today, do women raise their hands to the square, bow their head and promise to hearken to counsel of their husbands?
Yes
Source:  LDS.org

15. Are there active worthy women that cannot become sealed to their husband because the church refuses to revoke the sealing from a man she divorced?  
Yes
Source:  LDS.org

16.  Are there thousands of parents who cannot attend the marriage of their children each year because they are not allowed to enter the temple?
Yes     
Source: LDS Weddings

17. Do Mormons teach that only Mormons will be with their families in Heaven?
Yes
Source:  Mormon.org

18.  Did the LDS Church encourage gay men to marry women?
Yes

19. How many hours a week is an LDS Bishop away from his family?  
The hours range from 20 - 40 or more
Source: LDS.org

20. Are children and families “shunned” in the LDS Church?
Yes     
Source:  LDSLiving











8 comments:

  1. I would suggest using a web archive link instead of direct links to LDS resources just in case they disappear down the memory hole.

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    1. Thanks! Will do. Way more people looked at this than I ever imagined. Several suggestions were made here, via email and Reddit to clean it up. The LDS church basically destroyed my family although for years the "family" aspect was all that kept me in.

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  2. I have to disagree with you.

    The LDS church is definitely pro family. How do I know?

    Why they told me so.

    So all of your real life examples aren't worth anything.

    //sarcasm//

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  3. Small edit: #13 should say sealed to "himself" not "themselves".

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  4. Excellent points. We can now say with total certainty: The LDS church is anti-family.

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  6. About the church being anti-family, it is not one or the other, the church is anti-family against those who offend it; for those who conform and submit to their "rule" over them, those ARE accepted into their church family and those of their blood relation who are also "faithful" members.
    It isn't just one or the other, and this behavior isn't unique to just the Mormon church. You will find similarities in all other churches, societies, governments, or other groups.
    That's not to say that it’s always right. In some cases it is, in other cases it's pure hypocrisy. As for the Mormon Church, they need to do what they feel is right for their church.
    I enjoy examples to make points, so let's say you were the founding member of a Bridge Club that promoted card playing for all (you just got denied joining a prestigious bridge club and you want a club that accepts everyone!) Now, let's say one of your members did something that didn't conform to the best interests of your club, you would talk to that person. If they didn't correct the behavior, you would remove them from the group for the best interests of the group and its members... you would censure that person from your group. That doesn't directly mean that you oppose, or are against, accepting everyone.
    In the same way, many of the decisions the church makes may affect families (as illustrated in the examples above) but that doesn't mean they are against families, or "anti-family". A violent person may go to jail to protect others form harm, that doesn't make our society "anti-family”.
    This being said, I don’t believe families are the church's #1 priority, as they pretend. Indeed, the church pressures members and converts (in certain cases) to abandon and forsake family that speak against the church or its doctrines. The church is a big believer in the scripture that says to forsake family for "god" And there are many unwritten, but well followed, rules and expectations in the church that I believe are unnecessary and hurt families and individuals. I have personally seen a number of cases, and heard about many more, where a victim of abuse was censured for speaking about their abuser and what they did. Many of these cases the abuser had only "repented" before church authorities, and not given a thought to asking for forgiveness from his victims, let alone attempted to make restitution (as is required by the law of repentance taught by the church.) In most of these cases, it is a family member hurting another family member (most often a father hurting a wife or child). I have even seen and heard cases of the victim being told they either drop the issue or lose their salvation. These kinds of examples are the worst, I think, and totally unacceptable. Such choices on the church's behave are themselves anti-family.
    As for the church itself, I wouldn't call it anti-family, but I believe they are not very pro-family. A better label for the focus surrounding this issue is to call the church "pro-conformist". If you conform, you are much more likely to be accepted in the church. This includes a myriad of expectations: church attendance, ordinations, mission fulfillment, marriage, temple, etc. If you step outside of the expectations at any point along the path, you feel the censure to whatever degree they place upon you. If you show you are willing to conform, you are "repenting", and accepted back into the fold; if not, well…
    One of the great hypocrisies of the church is that they make exceptions. A higher up leader can do most anything and be forgiven by the church; wilst the lowly member who's never had any leadership roles, and hasn't met the many expectations of the church along their pathway of life, will be more harshly met for their "transgressions".
    The real question is: do you want to raise your family in a church that advocates devotion to church above self, government, family, or even God.

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